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Modes II

author: Logz date: 10/03/2007 category: the basics
rating: 9.5 / votes: 212 
POSTED: 10/03/2007 - 08:29 am
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hairypineapple :
Very nice, hi 5!
POSTED: 10/03/2007 - 10:01 am / quote |
soulphonate :
Nice. And about bloody time some new lessons rolled our way. Thanks for the post. This community rocks!
POSTED: 10/03/2007 - 10:56 am / quote |
naedman :
wow, i read through it and this is an amazing article, i never really understood any other ones i read about modes, but this explained it very well.
Ill have something to chew on for a while.

thanks alot, 10/10

POSTED: 10/03/2007 - 08:41 pm / quote |
fly fly fly :
really good. keep it up. describes modes in a good way, just wished it went into the description of sond more
POSTED: 10/04/2007 - 03:22 pm / quote |
a god :
really nice. about time someone had a good lesson on the way.
POSTED: 10/04/2007 - 04:35 pm / quote |
a god :
really nice. about time someone had a good lesson on the way.
POSTED: 10/04/2007 - 04:35 pm / quote |
thatonestud :
thanks! what really helped me was how to create chord progressions from modes... im going to use that ssoo much!
POSTED: 10/05/2007 - 01:07 am / quote |
thefoldarsoldar :
Hooray for Logz!


POSTED: 10/05/2007 - 03:47 pm / quote |
sindrel :
Nice lessons, though i knew much about modes before reading that, though i didn't know that much about chord progressions. One thing to ask: when we make for example a major chord a flat-major one, what exactly flattens in our chord? I don't understand that. Please reply or contact me at mad.sindrel@gmail.com, thx in advance!
POSTED: 10/05/2007 - 05:20 pm / quote |
Metalhead3333 :
Woah, I got lost at the major modes

Is a perfect interval a note which is neither sharp nor flat?

This is fun, learning all this stuff, even though it's so god damned tedious. Great lesson, it's really helping me along.

10/10.

POSTED: 10/07/2007 - 08:07 pm / quote |
juangar1992 :
wonderful lesson you're the only one who has made me understand thi thing about modes



thanx man, keep making lessons

POSTED: 10/08/2007 - 12:15 am / quote |
ooblah :
very helpful.
POSTED: 10/08/2007 - 01:33 am / quote |
fadetowhite :
my friend, when i become the next jaymz hammett, i will dedicate my signature gibson explorer to you
POSTED: 10/08/2007 - 12:06 pm / quote |
knollenberg :
wow....this actually helped
POSTED: 10/09/2007 - 12:33 pm / quote |
rojomeansred :
does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.
POSTED: 10/09/2007 - 02:02 pm / quote |
CanasClone :
Excellent, 10/10. Could you write a deeper lesson on chords though, especially how to use stranger jazz chord progressions? That's what I really don't understand.
POSTED: 10/09/2007 - 02:14 pm / quote |
wizards? :
that was good....really good. Keep them coming this is helping a lot 10/10
POSTED: 10/09/2007 - 02:49 pm / quote |
Dumpster510 :
Good article but what do you mean by a Flat-Major chord or a Sharp-Diminished chord?
POSTED: 10/10/2007 - 10:35 pm / quote |
branny1982 :
very useful article.

just a note, you have quite few errors on the roman numerals at the end of the article.
a major is depicted with a capital numeral I
a minor is depicted with a lower case numeral i.

good work.

POSTED: 10/11/2007 - 06:27 am / quote |
branny1982 :
just to add to this ^
i apologise if i am wrong to say that, you may be using different nomenclature to what i am used to, but i don't see how the first chord of minor modes can be major ?


POSTED: 10/11/2007 - 06:29 am / quote |
ProgIsGood :
Wow. So well explained. I already know lots about modes but I still got a lot out of this lesson 10/10.

POSTED: 10/13/2007 - 10:49 am / quote |
casa_punkista :
great job

POSTED: 10/13/2007 - 11:59 am / quote |
michal23 :
About the chord progressions of modes - surely if you apply that rule after, the chords are out of key? Unless that is kind of the idea, then I don't understand =/
POSTED: 10/13/2007 - 02:22 pm / quote |
ghostofhendrix :
This is a great lesson man u explained it really well! However, could you go a bit more in depth about the sounds/feelings of these modes and how to achieve these sounds e.g. which notes r good to use for different feelings-b3,7 etc? I pretty much understand modes now but i'd like to be able to implement them effectively- thanks again for the great lesson
POSTED: 10/14/2007 - 03:00 pm / quote |
ghostofhendrix :
rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.

Probably Italy/Ancient Greece- thats where most music theory originates from

POSTED: 10/14/2007 - 03:02 pm / quote |
fadetowhite :
mixolydian is cool

POSTED: 10/15/2007 - 01:08 pm / quote |
metal4all :
Very well written Logz, great job.
POSTED: 10/16/2007 - 06:17 pm / quote |
maelstr0m :
excellent lesson, as a person who has learned to play on a guitar alone, it taught me a lot.
POSTED: 10/20/2007 - 04:20 pm / quote |
elcaballo :
i have gained much knowledge after reading this lesson
POSTED: 10/22/2007 - 07:23 pm / quote |
Metalhead3333 :
rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.



They were named in ancient greece, by a great man whose name escapes me... And I only heard who named them earlier today!


POSTED: 10/24/2007 - 06:17 am / quote |
niqolaise :
Great lesson, this helped me very much.
POSTED: 10/28/2007 - 03:11 pm / quote |
difitzio :
There goes the most comprehensive guitar theory lesson you will ever see rolled into one!
Question though... I am learing modes and can play the 7 modes in the key of C. Was I wrong to say that when playing some lead in the key of C you just use those one of those modes to suit like-
Phrygian E F G A B C D. OR do you play all from the root C and pick your mode from there to suit the music- so if it was some spanish music youd use phrygian starting from C like-
C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
If anyone has the answer to this it would be good!

POSTED: 10/29/2007 - 02:56 pm / quote |
Death-Speak :
Do more lessons guy. This is probably the best lesson on theory I have read on this site!
POSTED: 10/30/2007 - 03:13 pm / quote |
muchas :
very useful.. this is great.. lesson is great.. thanks for the effort man..
POSTED: 11/04/2007 - 03:03 am / quote |
crazy94 :
i don understand lehh.. sry. but i really don get it. can anyone explain pretty pls??
POSTED: 11/04/2007 - 04:24 am / quote |
Dnalrafcmb3 :
good lesson, if you take your time and read this, you can really learn a lot of useful information, especially for song writing
POSTED: 11/08/2007 - 06:54 pm / quote |
Dnalrafcmb3 :
Metalhead3333 wrote:

rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.



They were named in ancient greece, by a great man whose name escapes me... And I only heard who named them earlier today!


yeah, I know a lot of these are islands in The Iliad or The Odessey

POSTED: 11/08/2007 - 06:57 pm / quote |
guy_tebache :
Metalhead3333 wrote:

rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.



They were named in ancient greece, by a great man whose name escapes me... And I only heard who named them earlier today!


yeah, I know a lot of these are islands in The Iliad or The Odessey

They are all named after the seperate cultures that made them. For instance the Ionian mode was made by the Greek colonists living on the Ionian coast of Turkey. These Greeks were part of a larger group which included the Athenians, called the Ionians. The Dorian Mode was named after the Spartans, who were originally made up of 5 Dorian tribes. Get the picture?
Good lesson. got to watch the details though. In the part at the beginning where you explain diatonics, you call an Fb major scale ( or E major) an F# major scale. This makes it confusing for novices and people learning modes for the first time. This kind of thing happened often, but overall still worth a 9/10. good work

POSTED: 11/18/2007 - 07:26 pm / quote |
Jarvis1980 :
difitzio wrote:

There goes the most comprehensive guitar theory lesson you will ever see rolled into one!
Question though... I am learing modes and can play the 7 modes in the key of C. Was I wrong to say that when playing some lead in the key of C you just use those one of those modes to suit like-
Phrygian E F G A B C D. OR do you play all from the root C and pick your mode from there to suit the music- so if it was some spanish music youd use phrygian starting from C like-
C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
If anyone has the answer to this it would be good!


E Phrygian is the same scale as C Major. So, if you want a Spanish sound in the key of C you will have to play C Phrygian.
All of the modes derived from the C Major scale will obviuosly have exactly the same notes of that scale eg. D Dorin E Phrygian A Aeolian etc.
The best way to work out the mode you want to use the list of intervals and start from the root you want.
Ionian Mode 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1
Dorian Mode 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 1
Phrygian Mode 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Lydian Mode 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7 1
Mixolydian Mode 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7 1
Aeolian Mode 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Locrian Mode 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 1
I hope this helps. I think i'm right, it's been a while

POSTED: 11/19/2007 - 05:00 am / quote |
lung assault :
excellent lesson man, very well done!!! this really helped clear up a few black spots!!! awesome!!!
POSTED: 11/19/2007 - 11:06 am / quote |
JMG :
rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.


The modes were named after the Greeks tribes that played them. Example: the Aeolians made the Aeolian scale. The modern versions of the modes are a little different then the originals of he greeks though. They got chnaged as they became the church modes.

POSTED: 11/25/2007 - 11:38 pm / quote |
C.C. Deville :
amaziong, this is the best modes lesson here now haha
POSTED: 11/27/2007 - 08:35 pm / quote |
Wulver :
wow, this is amazing. I don't have much of a grasp on theory yet, but this really makes sense to me. Thank you so much, sir.
POSTED: 11/27/2007 - 11:22 pm / quote |
Metal_Ibanez_89 :
Very nice dude. I like how it described the 7 modes. However the chord progressions are confusing to me.
POSTED: 11/29/2007 - 02:34 pm / quote |
For ODIN1031 :
A question. You can make a mode from any scale?
POSTED: 11/30/2007 - 10:34 pm / quote |
Page/Rhoads :
Man, too much crap to memorize. Who cares?
POSTED: 12/03/2007 - 03:43 pm / quote |
squier_4_life :
branny1982 wrote:

very useful article.

just a note, you have quite few errors on the roman numerals at the end of the article.
a major is depicted with a capital numeral I
a minor is depicted with a lower case numeral i.

good work.


I think the article was probably written in Word, so everytime he wrote "i" it got capitalized. You'll notice he says things like "we change 'I' to 'I'". In cases like that, I'd assume the first i was supposed to be lower case, but it was capitalized by Word or some other spell check. Other than that, amazing lesson!

POSTED: 12/03/2007 - 06:20 pm / quote |
squier_4_life :
Ok I don't know why it double posted... but sorry about that
POSTED: 12/03/2007 - 06:21 pm / quote |
k4i :
Dnalrafcmb3 wrote:

Metalhead3333 wrote:

rojomeansred wrote:

does anyone know where modes get there names from? they were all ancient places, but i don't know why they are called what they are.



They were named in ancient greece, by a great man whose name escapes me... And I only heard who named them earlier today!

yeah, I know a lot of these are islands in The Iliad or The Odessey

Pythagoras.

POSTED: 12/06/2007 - 08:03 pm / quote |
harrythehobo123 :
you did an awesome job explaining that...I really like how to start off with a simple example and then give a difficult one. I'm also gonna have to copy down some of your tables

thanks

POSTED: 12/08/2007 - 01:11 am / quote |
the1nonlycrazi :
actually I just did a school project on the modes... the original greek modes were hypodorian, dorian, hypophrygian, phrygian, hypolydian, lydian, hypomixolydian, and mixolydian... although the ionians were named after the ionian league that lived in ionia... the greeks didnt use that modes its just named after one of the four main leagues... same with the aeolians ... which was know as aeolia on the continent of anatolia back in way old greekish times! and the locrian mode was named after a tribe locris aka the locrians which contained two districts and the eastern one we know of only because homer talks about ajax whose from locris... but not so much the western locrains... the dorians were named after the dorian league the league that SPARTA was from... the phrygians werent greek... neither were the lydians infact they were part of asia minor... so not all the modes are named after the greeks although they may be greek modes... its just lydia and phrygia associated with the greeks...
POSTED: 12/10/2007 - 06:41 pm / quote |
the1nonlycrazi :
and no pythargoras did not name the modes...
POSTED: 12/10/2007 - 06:43 pm / quote |
Kentris.5 :
the1nonlycrazi wrote:

actually I just did a school project on the modes... the original greek modes were hypodorian, dorian, hypophrygian, phrygian, hypolydian, lydian, hypomixolydian, and mixolydian... although the ionians were named after the ionian league that lived in ionia... the greeks didnt use that modes its just named after one of the four main leagues... same with the aeolians ... which was know as aeolia on the continent of anatolia back in way old greekish times! and the locrian mode was named after a tribe locris aka the locrians which contained two districts and the eastern one we know of only because homer talks about ajax whose from locris... but not so much the western locrains... the dorians were named after the dorian league the league that SPARTA was from... the phrygians werent greek... neither were the lydians infact they were part of asia minor... so not all the modes are named after the greeks although they may be greek modes... its just lydia and phrygia associated with the greeks...


Just so you know, back then, and even until recenty decades many of the people living in Anatolia (ie Asia Minor, or Turkey) were Greek. If you've ever heard of something called the Byzantine Empire, which was the Greek speaking Eastern half of the Roman Empire which lasted until the 1400's, then you'd know that indeed, Greeks were residing in that region for quite some time. In fact, it was during the Balkan Wars that Greeks were kicked out by the Turkish government, and vice versa, and that was only at the end of the 19th century, which is pretty recent historically speaking.

POSTED: 12/13/2007 - 10:22 am / quote |
nickwentinsane :
lol,I am greek, and my family is Greek, and I think its awesome that you know some pretty acurate Greek history kentris.5, but do note that the text book doesn't tell the whole story. The Turks and Greeks have been going at it for ever, so the end result of the Balkan Wars was not quite as suprising as one might be led to believe. Greeks have always hated Turks and vice versa. My own last name Vosdoganis comes from the name of a turkish village. The name was Stephanopolis or something to that effect before, but after a small group of a few hundred soldiers or so had conquered the small village there whole company inhereted the last name of the city they had conquered when they returned to Greece. Don't mean to go off on a tangent, but I guess my point is that a lot of Turks hate Greeks and a lot of Greeks hate Turks.

OH, and aweosme lesson on modes, the olny thing that seems to confuse me is the scale alterations from the beggining of the article. For example the part about altering the D Major scale to a D dorian, isn't the D dorian based on the C major scale just played starting on the second degree of the scale, so why are the alterations needed for the modes?

POSTED: 12/18/2007 - 10:04 pm / quote |
rojomeansred :
the1nonlycrazi wrote:

actually I just did a school project on the modes... the original greek modes were hypodorian, dorian, hypophrygian, phrygian, hypolydian, lydian, hypomixolydian, and mixolydian... although the ionians were named after the ionian league that lived in ionia... the greeks didnt use that modes its just named after one of the four main leagues... same with the aeolians ... which was know as aeolia on the continent of anatolia back in way old greekish times! and the locrian mode was named after a tribe locris aka the locrians which contained two districts and the eastern one we know of only because homer talks about ajax whose from locris... but not so much the western locrains... the dorians were named after the dorian league the league that SPARTA was from... the phrygians werent greek... neither were the lydians infact they were part of asia minor... so not all the modes are named after the greeks although they may be greek modes... its just lydia and phrygia associated with the greeks...


Sparta actually have much to do with the Dorian league although they were Doric people.

and pythagoras figured out the mathematical equations for music he didn't name any of them.....just what I found in the little research I did, but thanks for all the helpful answers everyone!

POSTED: 12/19/2007 - 02:04 pm / quote |
munky797 :
In the very beginning of this articl about enharmonics he uses the F# Major scale as an example, I believe that scale has 6 sharps. It mus just be a type o but it could cause so confusion among beginners. Did anyone else notice this?
POSTED: 12/21/2007 - 02:49 pm / quote |
munky797 :
Metalhead3333 wrote:

Woah, I got lost at the major modes

Is a perfect interval a note which is neither sharp nor flat?

This is fun, learning all this stuff, even though it's so god damned tedious. Great lesson, it's really helping me along.

10/10.
A perfect interval would be a fourth or a fifth. example a fifth is the shap made by a two note power chord. a fourth is the shape used in the tuning of guitars(with the exception of the G-B, that's a major third). an example of this would just be hitting you e and A string simultaneously. The last perfect interval is the octave or 8th. All of these are called perfect because when these two notes or "intervals" are hit in unision they create a "perfect" sound i.e. there is no dissonance

POSTED: 12/21/2007 - 03:32 pm / quote |
cortez0 :
nice lesson! thanks for explaining
POSTED: 12/24/2007 - 11:45 am / quote |
EhudH :
this lesson helped me a whole lot man!!!
thnx dude wish you would post more lesson on other subjects in the future

POSTED: 12/24/2007 - 06:56 pm / quote |
EhudH :
P.S.
Do i need to remember every mode on every root of the quint circle (C,F,Bb,Eb,Ab,Db,Gb,B,E,A,D,G)i.e. knowing all the notes of every scale in all the possible pitches or is it enough just to remember the intervals and the flats and sharps really really good???

POSTED: 12/24/2007 - 07:02 pm / quote |
.pip. :
Enharmonics the same as chromatic intervals?
POSTED: 12/30/2007 - 09:04 pm / quote |
.pip. :
*Are enharmonics the same as chromatic intervals?
POSTED: 12/30/2007 - 09:07 pm / quote |
MetalD00d :
Logz, Love your work dude!
For me, you've managed to explain Modes and Chord progressions in exactly the right way. It all just clicked in place nicely.

Others have asked for you to go into more details on feelings of modes. People you have to experiment by yourselves, what do YOU think each of the modes express? Have a play around with the Phrygian mode, do you really need someone to tell you its Spanish sounding?

Props Logz!

POSTED: 01/03/2008 - 02:58 am / quote |
Bob Wood :
Great lesson! I learned a lot and understood it all. I may have to review for a while, but excellent all the way around. Thanks!

Bob

POSTED: 01/05/2008 - 10:34 pm / quote |
Nephellim :
Excellent lesson!
POSTED: 01/06/2008 - 12:55 am / quote |
fenderbender_1 :
nice lesson

POSTED: 01/07/2008 - 09:13 pm / quote |
Dirty Rocker. :
Wow. I stumbled upon this article, and was completely floored. I've been a musician all of my life, and picked up a guitar about 13 years ago, but until now, had no idea what modes were. Thanks!
POSTED: 01/09/2008 - 01:03 am / quote |
mouldysandwich :
you sir are a genius. awesome lesson!
POSTED: 01/15/2008 - 10:10 am / quote |
nido :
Understood ,,,Nice lesson!!!
POSTED: 01/18/2008 - 11:15 pm / quote |
joshjebl :
thnks great lesson you just gave me the tools to progress i have been confused for years
POSTED: 01/22/2008 - 10:25 am / quote |
dodee :
hjkhjkj
POSTED: 01/24/2008 - 04:37 pm / quote |
dodee :
sorry about my last comment, i waz just testing something...
anyway, great lesson, i just started guitar in the holidayz so i cant get lessons from school (which iz where im gonna get them from,cuz u get to miss classes)so in the meantime im learning on UG and its helped me a lot although some lessons are quite misleading an d it sux when u think you finally understand it only to find out that the lesson was wrong...
but this lesson is reallly good thx!!!!!

POSTED: 01/24/2008 - 04:41 pm / quote |
johnstamos :
yeah, really good lesson; great for anyone who knows modes but doesn't know how to use them
POSTED: 02/03/2008 - 02:30 am / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Hmm, this was ment to be the second lesson.
There still the first one to be accepted and also a 3rd one i believe.

Ill get onto Dyuha about accepting them

POSTED: 02/04/2008 - 06:49 am / quote |
AmplifySilence :
GREAT lesson, i was actually looking for an answer and the lesson contained it, thanks a bunch.
POSTED: 02/04/2008 - 06:05 pm / quote |
JIMMY PAGEII :
IT WAS STATED IN THE BEGINING OF THIS LESSON THAT THE FIRST FRET OF THE ''B'' STRING IS A ''C'' AND THAT IT IS ALSO A B#. ''THERES NO SUCH THING AS A B#.,PAGE
POSTED: 02/04/2008 - 06:48 pm / quote |
deathpidgeon :
good job mr. logz
POSTED: 02/07/2008 - 09:56 pm / quote |
Jawshuwa :
JIMMY PAGEII wrote:

IT WAS STATED IN THE BEGINING OF THIS LESSON THAT THE FIRST FRET OF THE ''B'' STRING IS A ''C'' AND THAT IT IS ALSO A B#. ''THERES NO SUCH THING AS A B#.,PAGE


Yes, there is. "C" and "B#" (or "Cb" and "B") are enharmonics, just as "E#" and "F" (or "E" and "Fb") are enharmonics.

They're not generally written as such in music, for reasons that I cannot remember, so for simplicity's sake, let's go with "there's no such thing as B#."

POSTED: 02/10/2008 - 10:00 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
^ Exactly
POSTED: 02/12/2008 - 09:17 am / quote |
gdavid :
thanks .. it was very usefull :P
POSTED: 02/15/2008 - 03:01 am / quote |
nghienviec :
Great lesson! I tried many times trying to not to get confused with modes and scales and progressions I guess this time it kinda clicked in now. Thanks a bunch!!!
POSTED: 02/16/2008 - 05:29 am / quote |
teh_Beatles :
Im not done reading...

But this possibly the best lesson ever on UG.

Epic win.

POSTED: 02/17/2008 - 12:57 pm / quote |
hippiecat78 :
Dude the lesson totally rocked.. i too ka lil schooling from a friend about modes.. memorized them all but didnt get the jist of how to apply them.This was the filler i was missing from all those lessons.. you are such a help here.. rock - on!~!
POSTED: 02/22/2008 - 03:55 pm / quote |
silverplate :
Dead solid perfect.
POSTED: 02/24/2008 - 05:52 am / quote |
lumpy890 :
Good job man, this is probably the best article I've ever read. I've been studying modes since the dawn of time and I learned a few things, thanks alot.
POSTED: 02/24/2008 - 09:49 am / quote |
Destroying Ange :
pretty goo dthanks I lerned Alot
POSTED: 02/26/2008 - 10:36 am / quote |
teknotard :
Just as a note. The chord Roman numerals are a bit wrong. Locrian would be spelled.

i° II iii iv V VI7 vii

You only capitalize the Roman numerals in figured bass when they are major and lower case in minor. But other then that looks good

POSTED: 03/04/2008 - 01:10 pm / quote |
teknotard :
of course i should have said i° (b) II (b)iii iv (b)V (b)VI7 (b)vii
POSTED: 03/04/2008 - 01:13 pm / quote |
Macan :
What a lesson!
POSTED: 03/14/2008 - 07:47 am / quote |
devilex121 :
looks rather complicated but explained perfectly
POSTED: 03/15/2008 - 04:33 am / quote |
anuj291 :
excellent content thanx a lot
POSTED: 03/17/2008 - 03:28 am / quote |
democritus :
nice one! thanks
POSTED: 03/26/2008 - 03:38 am / quote |
rokstar666 :
Great lesson!!!! All I'd like to add is that it's usful to study the modes in order of descending brightness; by which I mean playing the modes in order of how many modifications each has to Ionian...ie. mode with one flat (Mixolydian b7), then the mode with two flats (Dorian b3 b7) and so on. Then you see that it is not the spoon that bends....
POSTED: 04/02/2008 - 06:02 pm / quote |
Antipolitik :
Super lesson... best I've read ever. Thanks!
POSTED: 04/06/2008 - 01:28 am / quote |
filthylittleboy :
locrian mode has a minor third
Dorian 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 1
Phrygian 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Aeolian 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 1
Locrian 1 b2 b3 4b5 b6 b7 1

POSTED: 04/08/2008 - 02:23 pm / quote |
filthylittleboy :
munky797 wrote:

In the very beginning of this articl about enharmonics he uses the F# Major scale as an example, I believe that scale has 6 sharps. It mus just be a type o but it could cause so confusion among beginners. Did anyone else notice this?


yeah;
Father
Charles
Goes
Down
And
Ends
Battle!

E## is F# so you are correct

except that F# is the root of the phrygian mode of D major

i love this stuff

POSTED: 04/08/2008 - 02:27 pm / quote |
nickwentinsane :
JIMMY PAGEII wrote:

IT WAS STATED IN THE BEGINING OF THIS LESSON THAT THE FIRST FRET OF THE ''B'' STRING IS A ''C'' AND THAT IT IS ALSO A B#. ''THERES NO SUCH THING AS A B#.,PAGE
yah there is, and its enharmonic with C

POSTED: 04/12/2008 - 05:33 pm / quote |
nickwentinsane :
when i had read this before, i didnt get it, now its starting to make a whole hell of a lot of sense, i finally get the modes!!!!!
POSTED: 04/12/2008 - 05:36 pm / quote |
gunsnroses2503 :
I learnt more just then about modes..
Then i have in 7 years of playing
all i can say is i love you

POSTED: 04/20/2008 - 12:15 am / quote |
Joahem :
Modes are the way of new life.
and this explains very well

POSTED: 04/22/2008 - 10:26 pm / quote |
DrGeorge :
You deserve a Ph.D. for this lesson. Very well explained with theory mixed with practical application. What more could a guitarist want.
Thank you

POSTED: 04/25/2008 - 09:18 pm / quote |
DrGeorge :
You deserve a Ph.D. for your explanation of Modes. The article defined theory mixed with practical application of Modes. Thank you for the wonderful work.
POSTED: 04/25/2008 - 09:19 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Thanks
POSTED: 05/04/2008 - 06:55 pm / quote |
LesPaulfreak15 :
that lesson rocked i never understood modes before
POSTED: 05/13/2008 - 10:48 pm / quote |
Jungebez :
ty. well written lesson on modes
POSTED: 05/18/2008 - 08:07 am / quote |
havaball :
It was a kind of a good lesson for rookies, but there was a B#(C-because there are no sharps of flats between b and c or e and f) that must have confused people. It was good,but a video would most likely help those without modal knowledge understand how simple borrowing from these tones can be. Srry to knock it?
POSTED: 05/18/2008 - 06:32 pm / quote |
havaball :
It was a kind of a good lesson for rookies, but there was a B#(C-because there are no sharps of flats between b and c or e and f) that must have confused people. It was good,but a video would most likely help those without modal knowledge understand how simple borrowing from these tones can be.
POSTED: 05/18/2008 - 06:32 pm / quote |
master nights :
thank u but i think its hard for others people who they dont anything about guitar
POSTED: 05/21/2008 - 01:12 pm / quote |
axeshredder99 :
when are they ever gonna make new lessons? :-/
POSTED: 05/22/2008 - 04:48 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
havaball, the notes B# and Cb / E# Fb do exist, they're used to create diatonic scales, they're just not seen that often.

Master nights: This lesson was designed for people who understand some theory, and understand how to play guitar, yet want to increase their knowledge of modes and how they work.


Axeshredder99: I have already submitted 2 other modal lessons (part 2 and part 3), however they've not been updated since 2007. Im as anxious to get them online as everyone else

POSTED: 05/27/2008 - 06:52 am / quote |
Bryan C :
Awsome. I have long known that my chord progressions make no theory-sense; this has, along with secondary-dominants or what ever they are called, helped explain some of this. Aparently I write alot of stuff in Mixolydian. thanks.
POSTED: 06/01/2008 - 02:30 am / quote |
Token_17 :
does anyone know where i can find like,
what fret F# C B...
well all of them
Ive been looking foa long freakin time
and I'd apreciate it a crapload if you helped me

POSTED: 06/14/2008 - 08:22 pm / quote |
DOMR28 :
Token_17 wrote:

does anyone know where i can find like,
what fret F# C B...
well all of them
Ive been looking foa long freakin time
and I'd apreciate it a crapload if you helped me

Try web.forret.com, under Music there is a guitar neck simulator that will show this in standard and open tunings

POSTED: 06/20/2008 - 12:12 pm / quote |
Gabysguitar :
ok, this perfect. All i have to di is study, Thanxs!!!!
POSTED: 06/24/2008 - 01:42 pm / quote |
Nilzstar :
Nice nice ^^
POSTED: 07/05/2008 - 06:15 am / quote |
Ditto100 :
its a great post for someone who knows exactley what you are talking about . But for the beginner its a lot of what ? who ? where ? when ? abc's and 123's do not equate into how do i play this .
I go up and down the frets knowing the note and or chord , but how does that create a song. They sound good here and sometimes there.....however without putting it together as a whole what is it ? for us old people who's memories come and go have a hard time figuring out this note that not equals this one over here...where is the simpleness of playing simple notes and or chords to produce the tone of the song . I can strum a few chords all over the frets , but not all of them sound good over over the frets . and abcdefga1234561 does mean much to someone who is truley music UNinclined . And trying to start and learn, from nothing . I'm sure its a great post for some .

POSTED: 07/13/2008 - 03:00 pm / quote |
KurtCobain9898 :
too dense for me man. explain in one sentence.
POSTED: 07/14/2008 - 09:24 pm / quote |
 
 m 
  :
Ditto100 wrote:

its a great post for someone who knows exactley what you are talking about . But for the beginner its a lot of what ? who ? where ? when ? abc's and 123's do not equate into how do i play this .
I go up and down the frets knowing the note and or chord , but how does that create a song. They sound good here and sometimes there.....however without putting it together as a whole what is it ? for us old people who's memories come and go have a hard time figuring out this note that not equals this one over here...where is the simpleness of playing simple notes and or chords to produce the tone of the song . I can strum a few chords all over the frets , but not all of them sound good over over the frets . and abcdefga1234561 does mean much to someone who is truley music UNinclined . And trying to start and learn, from nothing . I'm sure its a great post for some .


It should make sense if you read it from beginning to end thoroughly. I wrote it for beginners.

POSTED: 07/16/2008 - 10:31 am / quote |
fob12 :
This is really really really awesome dude. Thanks to YOU I know some music theory now and I'm on my way to getting started. This is the ONLY article that made me finally understand about this stuff.


Question though, with those chord progressions and modal progressions you were talking about, let's say I want to do a progression in C Lydian, do I need to follow the notes that are in C Lydian, or is the modal progression simply just for making the song the way you want it to sounds with the "happy or sad" kind of stuff?

POSTED: 07/18/2008 - 11:51 pm / quote |
ernie123 :
Thanks for a great lesson!! You cleared up alot of things i was confused with!
POSTED: 07/20/2008 - 08:00 pm / quote |
PoopChute :
ok so im new so forgive the question but if you follwed one mode, say dorian, and go through all the root notes would you overlap into another mode and the other modes' diff root notes ie say Dorian in root E could be same as A moxolydian and a F# phryigian etc. and so forth. If it does work out like that could you learn one mode scale and make music from there w/ different keys to music.
POSTED: 07/22/2008 - 01:28 am / quote |
PoopChute :
o And another how many scales and what scales and modes shoul a d person try to remember. how do the pros like kirk do it do they follow one or two style for every album or switch up modes. sorry if ti sound stupid but i dont really know
POSTED: 07/22/2008 - 01:31 am / quote |
fob12 :
PoopChute wrote:

ok so im new so forgive the question but if you follwed one mode, say dorian, and go through all the root notes would you overlap into another mode and the other modes' diff root notes ie say Dorian in root E could be same as A moxolydian and a F# phryigian etc. and so forth. If it does work out like that could you learn one mode scale and make music from there w/ different keys to music.
Yes. If E Dorian is the same as F# Phygian and so on, then you can learn the mode, and when there's a song in a key, you can play that scale in that key, but you have to watch out and see if what you want to play, is major or minor and if the key of the song is major or minor. Get it?

POSTED: 07/22/2008 - 03:25 pm / quote |
zombiekangaroo :
i got about halfway through, then i just lost it completly
POSTED: 07/31/2008 - 11:51 pm / quote |
xXErikaXx :
...thanks u sooo much! guitar lessons are waayy to expensive for me to pay for, so im teaching myself..this really helped! thanks again!!!
POSTED: 08/01/2008 - 06:27 pm / quote |
Shillaker :
This is awesome, the only simple straightforward explanation of the links between scales, modes and chords I could find on the internet. Cheers
POSTED: 08/29/2008 - 10:23 am / quote |
adarsh_cool1 :
brilliant dude...iv also noticed that you emphasized on modes as individual ..hum.. modes..rather than just being a plain derivative of a major scale ..10!
POSTED: 09/06/2008 - 09:52 am / quote |
new_guitar :
great lesson!!!!!
POSTED: 10/26/2008 - 11:23 am / quote |
Juppen :
Great lesson man!! I couldn't learn anything from the mode lessons!!
POSTED: 10/30/2008 - 01:25 pm / quote |
Juppen :
*from the other mode lessons
POSTED: 10/30/2008 - 01:26 pm / quote |
VikingMetalhead :
Probably the best theory lesson on the internet! Thanks man!
POSTED: 11/21/2008 - 12:19 pm / quote |
VikingMetalhead :
(I mean regarding modes and that basic stuff)
POSTED: 11/21/2008 - 12:19 pm / quote |
kevC4 :
ThIs IS F*CKING USEFULL!!!
POSTED: 11/26/2008 - 09:25 pm / quote |
Fender1424 :
Awesome lesson. This is helping me so much. 10/10
POSTED: 11/30/2008 - 05:25 pm / quote |
Sean999 :
Wow, definitely one of the best lessons here.

Thanks a lot! Music theory is actually quite simple once you understand it!

POSTED: 01/01/2009 - 07:43 pm / quote |
kolmesting :
thnx! that was great! now i understand how it works...
POSTED: 01/24/2009 - 01:44 am / quote |
Kornum93 :
Dude really an awesome lesson taugh me alot. So thanks
POSTED: 01/29/2009 - 04:14 pm / quote |
FFTLxx :
This is my 3rd full read of this lesson.
And I can now comfortably say that I understand everything mentioned in this lesson.

POSTED: 01/31/2009 - 10:44 am / quote |
nainatugal :
wow! tnx man.. this is really a good lesson.. No i'm beginning to really understand modes..
POSTED: 03/29/2009 - 03:41 am / quote |
TriviumFan717 :
Actually there are 4 perfect intervals
-Perfect Unison
-Perfect Fourth
-Perfect Fifth
-Perfect Octave
munky797 wrote:

Metalhead3333 wrote:

Woah, I got lost at the major modes

Is a perfect interval a note which is neither sharp nor flat?

This is fun, learning all this stuff, even though it's so god damned tedious. Great lesson, it's really helping me along.

10/10.
A perfect interval would be a fourth or a fifth. example a fifth is the shap made by a two note power chord. a fourth is the shape used in the tuning of guitars(with the exception of the G-B, that's a major third). an example of this would just be hitting you e and A string simultaneously. The last perfect interval is the octave or 8th. All of these are called perfect because when these two notes or "intervals" are hit in unision they create a "perfect" sound i.e. there is no dissonance

POSTED: 06/10/2009 - 07:59 pm / quote |
rkp1992 :
awsome lesson! i have a question though. so if you are soloing with an ionian chord progression do you have to solo using the ionian mode?
POSTED: 06/17/2009 - 11:21 am / quote |
demonized2k7 :
please help, what mode shud i use if i was playing a,c#,and d chords, like when the chord is a, i can use the ionian in a, then when it changes to c#, shud i use ionian in c#, or phrygian in a?which is by the way same notes as a... how do i resolve what modes to play durimg chord patterns...
POSTED: 06/29/2009 - 03:24 am / quote |
BTKA :
Awesome, just what I needed! Cheers great lesson.
POSTED: 08/18/2009 - 06:26 am / quote |
daniel_raziel :
very useful...!
tnx a lot.
but I have a question..!
if I want to play in C key with dorian mode I should play the D E F G A B C D ?
or C dorian with: C D bE F G A bB C ?

POSTED: 09/04/2009 - 06:57 pm / quote |
welby :
Very Nice
Thank you.

POSTED: 10/09/2009 - 08:58 am / quote |
welby :
Very Nice
Thank you.

POSTED: 10/09/2009 - 08:58 am / quote |
MrSnowman :
Hey great lesson 4 thumbs up!
POSTED: 11/10/2009 - 06:12 am / quote |
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